JWD: How much does performance matter to you guys?

HC: It’s everything.

AS: We really take the time to practice and get our shows to where we want them to be. We’re not a sloppy band. Before a gig to make sure an intro is right, or decide how we should fade out a song.

JWD: How about the aesthetic of your performance?

AS: It plays a role too because we are trying to create an atmosphere. We don’t want it to be four people thrown onto a stage. We want to make sure it feels authentic to us.

AWD: It’s not just a band, it’s a whole thing—you’re watching a show.

HC: Every night is different.

AS: It’s fairly improvised.

AWD: But I sort of plan what we’re going to do.

JWD: Do you want to explain?


“I thought to myself, ‘I want to spit blood.
I want to just be disgusting in people’s faces’
and I kind of developed a character.” 
— Arrow de Wilde

AWD: I used to be very shy, and the past couple of years I don’t know what happened. I had a band before this, and it didn’t work out. I was still shy, so I just stood there and felt boring. I thought to myself, “I don’t know what I’m so afraid of.” I remember listening to The Runaways one day like, “I want to spit blood. I want to just be disgusting in people’s faces.” And I kind of developed a character.

HC: An alter-ego.

AWD: Yes. It’s definitely my alter-ego. Even 20 minutes after I come off stage, I’m still in a crazy state of mind. That takes a while to fade.

JWD: Are there people you look up to for that?

AWD: Definitely Ozzy, Iggy Pop and Alice Cooper. I don’t want to seem like I’m the baby Alice Cooper. I’m making it my own thing, but drawing inspiration from those people.

JWD: If you had the opportunity to collaborate with anyone, who would it be and why?

HC: Tom Waits. I love the sound of his albums and have heard about his drum room. With Marc Ribot on the guitar it’s all weirdness. The compositions feel like an orchestra.

AS: Steve Albini. I really like his sensibility. He’s very structured and formulaic in his work, and I’m really inspired that.

AWD: Ozzy. I like the song that he did with Lita Ford in the ’80s, “Close My Eyes Forever”, so maybe something like that.

JWD: What are your interests outside of music?

HC: I really like the rain and hiking. I live in Altadena, so I hike every day.

AWD: I hate rain.

AS: I’m into fine art. I make it sometimes and admire it. I love movies in general.

AWD: I like making art, too. I’m also into fashion. I like looking for weird old costumes.

TF: I like video games.

AWD: Can’t forget Taco Bell.